Originally Posted by Th Fooster

the guy is right.. the team wont deal more damage. tis the same the point of witnter is so the team can all take mantra of fros and you guys take reduced damage... exept one problem.... they use wild blow.. so that makes winter redundent.
you deal the same damage and take the same... People used to use winter wwaay back before factions because water magic SUKED sooo bad and rechares... and firestorm used to actualy be good.. and monsters didnt run out of aoe back then.Winter is obloete and makes no impact on the team over all. I personaly used water magic and mantra of frost/frigid armour and did fine. the mosters took the same damage weather it is fire or earth or air... dont matter.The spark fly imps are the only ones particularly vulnerable to cold damage.
the rest is the same and winter is redundant. try a prot monk as your second monk with around 10 in healing and use gift of health to help spot heal.
Or make the entire group use frigid armour .. if its that bgi of a deal. i can go on and on about ways to deal with that mission and winter is a waste.

Originally Posted by Koricen

With the obvious rise of players doing the Hell's Precipice mission, I feel it necessary to bring this up. Consistantly I see people looking for a Winter Ranger or a Winter Ranger LFG. These people need to realize winter does not work how they think it does. Many times I have tried to explain this and have not only been insulted, but occasionally kicked out of groups because they don't know how to pay attention. The way Winter works is that the damage of the spell you are casting is calculated based on its level and the enemy's armor, and then is converted to cold damage. That means the damage is of the same strength, only a different element.

[Winter]


I also tested the Greater Conflagration/Winter combo (using the spirits in both possible orders). I used a 14-27 white bow and came up with the following results:

Bow only: 50 hits, 5.46 average damage per hit, highest damage = 10, lowest damage = 4

Bow with GC: 50 hits, 3.5 average damage, highest = 7, lowest=3

Bow with GC then Winter: 50 hits, 3.8 average damage, highest=7, lowest=3

Bow with Winter then GC: 50 hits, 3.94 average damage, highest=7, lowest=2

I hope this shows how Winter will not help in Hell's Precipice or anywhere else if used in this manner. This may or may not be a bug, depending on how you look at it, as it says the elemental damage is converted to cold damage, which it is, just that it is converted after the damage is already calculated. So if you plan on bringing Winter you won't be helping the group, and if you bring GC+Winter you will be hindering your team.

Originally Posted by Trax Reborn

read the skill and use a elem bow nub

Originally Posted by Pick Me

okay, give this statement is true:

Winter only applies to damage after everything else is calculated (ie: armor, resitances, etc.). Thus spinal shivers/shivers of dread and Rodgorts will be affected.

This then would apply that armor you have against cold is also useless, since your defense is applied after the initial damage has been calculated. Which would mean a Ranger's armor vs Frost is useless with winter.

Would this also apply with Greater Conflaguration then? As in, a Warrior has great defense vs physical damage. So under GC, another warror would do damage as if it was physical instead of fire damage (for armor calculations ony), right?

Now, what happens when a Dervish uses Ebond Dust Aura + Dust Cloak while under the effects of Winter? Your weapon is considered to be earth (b/c of DC) so the damage it ends up inflicting will be cold, but EDA still blinds right?

Also, a creature hexed with Iron Mist, does the damage from lightning = cold while under the effects of winter? or does the damage still be considered lightning for damage considerations?

Same with Stone Striker, I think I read that this spell will convert damage into Earth once the enchanter gets hit. Which takes precidence? Winter upon impact or Stone Striker upon impact?

Originally Posted by Turbobusa

[Iron Mist]: Winter will convert the damage before the hex is considered, therefore if you will not take damage from lightning if Winter is up.

Ho I wonder if we could come up with a weird farming build for fow HM using the fact that some mobs cast that on you.

Originally Posted by Koross

Wow that is a great indepth find Koricen, you should post that in the official Guild wiki as well under the winter skill discussion.

Originally Posted by Koricen

If you or anyone else wants to put my test results in there be my guest, I can't believe I put in as much effort as I did considering how lazy I am.

Originally Posted by Koricen

As of the May 1st update Winter now works as desired, so bringing it into Hell's Precipice will be beneficial. That makes all my previous tests pointless... which is kind of annoying but whatever. Who knows, maybe they noticed my post and finally saw empirical evidence and fixed it. (Delusions of grandeur anyone?)

Anyway, here's a couple screenshots:

Flare w/o Winter -


Flare w/ Winter -

Originally Posted by shru

I recomend changing your first post to this to avoid the confusion that always follows bug fixes. As I was laughed at tonight for trying to take it when my ranger went to get my end game green,the guy quoting this thread as evidence (I told him to let me show him that it's been fixed, but ofc, he declined and promptly kicked me) but w/e, back to H/H.